Satisfaction Saturday
The Frosts and Hymens
I wandered over to The Frost's new blog and posted a comment on their post "Frost and Sex - Intacta" Go here to see the full post. My comments are below.
Comment One:
Comment Two:
Comment One:
A hymen is never "intact". In fact it shouldn't be. Of course hymens vary in thickness, size of opening, etc - but there should always be an opening.
It is commonplace for a doctor to make sure an infant female has an open hymen. If the opening does not occur a physician may be employed to fix this before school age. Young girls begin to menstruate as early as 9 years old. Blood needs to be able to pass.
So, to say that the hymen is closed before first intercourse is completely false and rather ignorant.
Let's face it. In this day and age young girls use tampons, masturbate, get pelvic exams, etc. The hymen is rather irrelevant. An empowered, modern woman would hopefully be raised aware or her anatomy and be ready for the happenings of first intercourse. I didn't bleed a bit and over half of the young female population won't either.
Times have changed. I would say it's uncommon to be given a prudish upbringing. Sex education and a new generation of parents ready to give their kids "the talk" has increased awareness and empowered young females about their bodies. There is still some work to do but surgically removing hymens is not the answer. In fact, it's down right unnatural.
Of course I speak from an American point of view. Some parts of the rest of the world have much more work to do before women can be sexually liberated.
Comment Two:
And I'm sorry - did you say "acceptable guidelines"? What does that mean exactly? Should all Pagans subscribe to the beliefs that would be in these "guidelines"?
I would have to say that I would be completely against any practice like this for my daughter. My opinion is that the only guideline Pagans need is nature. The tearing, rupturing, etc. of the hymen is part of a natural process.
Birth is a bloody process too. Should we find some way to make that more pleasurable? Some women don't lose their hymens completely until they give birth. Should we do something about that too. Come on now.
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Yeah, I saw that, that's what brought me over here. I'm not a Frost hater like a lot of the people over there, but you and I are in complete agreement on this subject. Like I told them myself, mankind evolved for females to have a hymen for some reason, the same way cats evolved in the way they did, and which in fact is true with all animals.
If there is some pain involved during first intercourse, then there is a reason for that too. Who knows, it might have been an evolutionary device to discourage promiscuity at too young an age, or to help prevent sexual addiction. I got a lot of heat over that, but I stand by it.
Interesting blog you have here.
Hum, that is interesting. I wouldn't have a clue what to do with a virgin. Never had one, don't want one.
Well, I don't want sex with anyone but my spiritual soul mate, but maybe she is dead and I just have to accept that fact.
I think that if a man is gentle with a virgin the experience should go well for her.
BBC, yes and hopefully the young woman has chosen someone she feels safe with and someone who can help her through any discomfort.
Patrick, I agree with you completely. I am frustrated over the Frost issues but, as you said as well, I'm not a hater of them. I met them briefly and they seem like nice enough folks. I just wish they didn't seem to be quite so focused on topics revolving around sex and young people having sex. I'm by no means a prude, but I am a parent who finds the entire notion of what's described in their book (that Drew seems set on holding a public burning of) to be rather disturbing. Again, thanks for visiting. I'll be blogrolling you dammit!
I think a lot of that sex stuff with the Frosts is an aspect of the sixties and early seventies, which is when they started out. Times were a lot different than they were now. Crazy, radical ideas were the norm of the day.
I even told them and Drew both they were a bunch of old hippies. Admittedly, I was trying to use a little bit of humor in the hopes of trying to defuse the anger somewhat, but I think there's a lot of truth to it.
Yeah, I'm sure your right about the old hippie stuff. Maybe it's ridiculous of me to think they should change a little. On the other hand aren't we talking about Pagans - people committed to concepts like evolving - spiritual or otherwise?
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